COMMENTARY: Tebow, a better bet than Manning ( TKS Cartman )


The facts show that Tim Tebow is off to a better start as an NFL quarterback than many of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history. Through his first 16 starts, Tebow won more games (9) than Peyton Manning (3), Troy Aikman (3), Steve Young (3), Aaron Rodgers (5), Matthew Stafford (6), Sam Bradford (7), Eli Manning (7), John Elway (8), and Drew Brees (8). Tebow accomplished that with a team that was 1-4 before he took over, and had won only 7 of its last 24 games.

 In his first 16 starts, Tebow led his team to a playoff victory. None of these other greats did that. In fact, it took Peyton Manning, one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history, five full NFL seasons to lead his team to a playoff victory.

In his first playoff game, Tebow threw for 316 yards in a winning effort — against the best defense in the league.

It is so difficult for an NFL quarterback to throw for 316 yards or more in a playoff victory that Ben Roethlisberger has never done it. Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers have each done it once. Tom Brady, John Elway and Joe Montana each did it twice. Eli Manning did not throw for that many yards in a playoff game until this season. And those other quarterbacks had some of the best receivers in the NFL. Tebow is also near the top in another important measure of an NFL passer, which is the number of touchdown passes per pass attempt. In his first 16 games, Tebow averaged an impressive one touchdown pass for every 23 pass attempts (1-23). The same as Peyton Manning. Better than Steve Young (1-46), John Elway (1-36), Drew Brees (1-34) and Tom Brady (1-36). And just slightly behind Aaron Rodgers (1-21), Matthew Stafford (1-21), and Eli Manning (1-21).

Even more important is the fact that Tebow threw very few interceptions per pass attempt. Just one pick for every 43 pass attempts (1-43). That’s twice as good as Peyton Manning (1-21). Much better than Elway (1-19), Stafford (1-26) and Eli Manning (1-29). Better than Brees (1-34), Brady (1-36), Rodgers (1-39) and Bradford (1-40). This fact is particularly important, because ESPN contends that the chance of a team winning an NFL game goes down 20 percent with each interception a quarterback throws.

Through 16 starts, Tebow has a far better touchdown pass-to-interception ratio (17 touchdowns-9 interceptions) than Peyton Manning (26-28), Brees (15-15), Stafford (28-23), Bradford (18-15), Elway (10-19), Aikman (12-25) and Young (9-16). Tebow’s rate is also better than Eli Manning’s (21-14), and the same as Aaron Rodgers’ (23-12).

According to these key factual measures of an NFL passer (wins, touchdown passes, interceptions, playoff performance) Tebow is off to a better start as an NFL passer than many of the great passing quarterbacks in NFL history.

Tebow’s critics do not speak of these facts. Instead, they harp on the style of his passes and his completion percentage (46 percent). That is illogical. Results are more important than style. And completion percentage is far less important than wins, touchdowns, interceptions and playoff success. That is proved by the fact that Tebow has far more wins, and a much better touchdown and interception ratio, than many quarterbacks who have a higher completion percentage.

Peyton Manning is a certain Hall of Fame quarterback and a man of great character and integrity.

But the facts also show, at this point, Manning is not a more effective quarterback than Tebow. Last season, Tebow started 13 games. When you compare those 13 starts to Manning’s last 13 starts, the results are almost the same.

Over their last 13 starts, Tebow and Manning have the same winning record — 8-5. Each threw one touchdown pass for every 23 pass attempts. Tebow threw only one interception for every 51 passes. Unfortunately, Manning threw one interception for every 33 pass attempts. Tebow won one playoff game and lost the next. Manning lost his only playoff game, 17-16, to the Jets. Since Manning played these last 13 games, he has reportedly undergone three neck procedures and has not played for 14 months.

Tebow also brings the critical advantage of mobility to the field, which Manning does not. Over their last 13 starts, Tebow ran for 681 yards and 6 touchdowns. Manning ran for 23 yards and 0 touchdowns. Manning’s lack of mobility may explain some of the difficulty he has encountered in the playoffs during his storied career.

While it is undisputed that Manning is one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, he has only won one first-round playoff game since 2006. He has lost in the first round of the playoffs seven out of the 11 times his team has made it that far. He is 1-3 against New England in the playoffs, averaging 9 points a game in those losses.

None of these facts are intended as a criticism of Manning. They are simply proof of the undeniable fact that injuries and age take their toll on even the greatest quarterbacks. And no quarterback who has won a Super Bowl with one team has ever won a Super Bowl with his next team.

So the assumption that the Broncos would automatically be a better team right now under Manning is not supported by the facts. The facts show that Tebow is, by comparison, a great young quarterback with most of his career in front of him. Manning is a Hall of Fame quarterback with most of his career behind him. And over the course of their last 13 games, Tebow and Manning performed at approximately the same level.

It would be highly illogical for the Broncos to replace Tim Tebow with Peyton Manning. Such a decision, no matter how well-intentioned, would likely undermine the franchise for years to come.

Dan Caplis is a Denver attorney, journalist and co-host of the “Caplis and Silverman” show on AM 630 KHOW.

Are you ready for the Tim Tebow debate once again?



The debate is fresh again. The voices are as loud as ever. The sides are distinct.

In the middle, there is Tim Tebow, good guy, potential quarterback.

And noise.

He is perhaps the loudest debate in the history of the league. One side points out that his passes wobble. The other side points out that his intangibles do not. One side would like a no-name quarterback who is on his way to nowhere. One side prefers Tebow, who presumably, is stopping by on his way to heaven.

All of the old arguments are new again. About how Tebow doesn’t throw as well as most quarterbacks. About how he leads better than most of them. They have had this argument in Denver, and they have had it in New York. Now, it is Philadelphia’s turn.

There is this. Most of us would rather be Tebow than Matt Barkely, the quarterback he is competing with for the Eagles’ third slot. Heck, we’d rather be Tebow than Matt Sanchez, or for that matter, Tebow instead of Sam Bradford. Tebow is iconic. He is immensely popular. And his supporters act as if he is the only good man ever play quarterback.

There is something in Tebow that attracts the zealots. He has always been something to believe in, a faith-driven quarterback who inspires his fans to applaud him. Those who criticize Tebow? Why, they’re doing the work of the devil! And those who fall in line? Well, take a number.

When Tebow was in Denver, and later in New York, every discussion turned into a holy war. You could suggest, quite calmly, that Tebow didn’t throw a good enough pass, a fact on which a great many people who make their living to determining such things have suggested. And immediately, you’re going to get a lecture on winning and intangibles and leadership. Then you can suggest that, yeah, the guy does have something, and the other side launches in about how they can’t wait to see Tebow fail, as if it were a personal insult that Tebow still has a uniform.

Me? I like Tebow. Of all the things that are wrong in the NFL, of Ray Rice and Greg Hardy and Ray McDonald, why are you going to get upset that Tebow is a decent guy with over-the-top followers? Even in his days at the University of Florida, there were critics who slammed Tebow because he was interviewed too often. My response was always that he never chased me down and asked me to interview him. Every question I ever asked him was my idea.

The truth? The truth is that Tebow has limitations as a quarterback. That doesn’t diminish that he’s a fine guy, a well-meaning man who just wants a job as a quarterback.

The all-he-does is win argument? That’s not right, either. Tebow has an 8-6 record as a starter, which is kind of routine. Yes, he won a playoff game over Pittsburgh, but his team lost 45-10 in round two. Yes, he led the Broncos on their stretch drive, but the playoffs in the balance, Tebow scored only three points against a bad Kansas City team in which he hit only six of 22 passes. In all, Tebow hit only 47 percent of his passes that year.

And, yet, Tebow did win quarterback Denver to six straight wins that year. In a league that worships nothing more than victory, it seems that Tebow might have been more coveted than, say, Ryan Leaf or Matt Leinhart.

The truth is that Tebow unnerves a great many NFL executives who don’t think he’s worth the bother. Why invite the circus to town? Why stick a guy on your bench and invite the questions of why he isn’t starting? The Florida teams in particular have struggled at quarterback in recent seasons, but none of them wanted to turn their quarterback into a “Tebow Today” situation. How did Tebow look? Is he going to play this week? When might he start?

Still, even now, fans are willing to pull for Tebow. He has not played a down since 2012, when he played 77 snaps for the New York Jets. He was brought in by a general manager who saw him as a jack-of-all-trades, but he played for a coach who saw him as a master of none.

Despite the fact that Tebow hasn’t played meaningful football since 2011, he is 15th in the NFL in jersey sales. And he may well lead the Eagles in headlines this training camp.

Eagles’ coach Chip Kelley says Tebow is doing better. I hope so. The NFL is a more interesting place with Tebow in it. Discussions are livelier, opinions are louder, when Tebow is the subject.

Look, the NFL is a place where there are not enough quarterbacks. Josh Freeman still has a uniform. Tyrod Taylor has one. So do Thaddeus Lewis and Matt Simms and Matt McGoin and Tom Savage and Bruce Gradkowski. There are so many insurance men calling themselves quarterbacks that it’s amusing.

Good people don’t always make as NFL quarterbacks. It isn’t a job requirement. Danny Weurffel was a wonderful guy. Trent Dilfer is great. Josh McCown is a heck of a guy.

But all Tebow wants is a fresh set of downs.

Someone should give it to him?

Dave Caldwell Jaguars win loss record 9-39

Tebow – produced Caldwell’s million-dollar quote.

“Even if he’s released.

David Caldwell is shown at a Thursday, Jan. 10, 2013, news conference in which Jaguars owner Shad Khan introduced Caldwell as the new general manager of the Jacksonville Jaguars.

2012 2 wins

2013 4 wins

2014 3 wins

How that working for you Davie

How Stupid Are People About Tim Tebow?

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For some time I’ve said my biggest concern about Tim Tebow is all of the Quarterback Training he’s gone through. This is particularly true of the work he’s done with Tom House.

Tim Tebow is a natural athlete and a natural Quarterback. But he has a problem in the NFL. That problem is…the NFL is filled with idiots and covered and followed by even more idiots. I’ve dealt with just about every aspect there is of how cultish NFL and much of Football is. It’s why I finally decided not to have “Football People” put ‘The League’ together.

They’re unteachable.

They’ve also been unteachable when it comes to Tim Tebow. MAYBE.

I say maybe because the Philadelphia Eagles Coaching Staff might, and I repeat, might have decided to make a new formula as it pertains to one Timothy Richard Tebow. That formula appears to largely be…let’s find his strengths and work to them. Simple enough. But most NFL Teams don’t do that and aren’t interested in doing so. They have their formulas and want the Players to be piece parts in them.

Where this is of particular concern with Tebow is…he has dyslexia. Dyslexia has been called by many a “learning disorder”. When Tebow’s dyslexia has been mentioned as it relates to Tim Tebow, Football Player and Quarterback, it always is treated as such. But it might not be a learning disorder at all. In fact, it might be one key reason why we had what was called “TebowTime”.

I’m not even going to pretend to be any sort of knowledgeable person when it comes to dyslexia. But from what I’ve read on the subject, dyslexic people learn via there own visual process and it breaks down in two ways.

One, converting “normal” learning and two, what is natural for them.

Think of it like playing 3 dimensional chess. A person who learns to play chess on a flat board tends to begin there and add steps when playing on a three-step board. Whereas a person who learns to play on the three dimensional board in the first place tens to either already be steps ahead of the game when playing on a flat board…or, steps back as they re-process. It all depends on the individual.

And so it goes, by the way, with learning for everyone about everything. But we like Learning Manufacturing Lines because it’s easier on the people who are told process numbers of students through the system. NOT because it’s the least bit good for any of the students. Because for many, it’s the worst thing we could do. We obliterate creativity and then throw them out on the streets where we say now imagine what you’re going to do with your life and go do it. Right after 6 or 8 or 10 or 12 or how many more years of killing the creativity that was in them from the beginning.

Y’all have already heard me rail about how the NFL Drafts Players because of their enormous athletic ability and then force-fits them into a structure that prevents them from using most of that ability. You’re the cog forge. You do this piece and do it over and over. I don’t care if you also are great at widgets. The Troy Polamalus are more rare for the opportunity to use every bit of their athleticism than they are for having it.

Dyslexics are said to be creative thinkers. Creative thinkers who think visually and think at real-time. Not at process time. Where this shows most in Tim Tebow is when he’s told to stand in the pocket. Ignore anyone who says his issues there are his arm. It’s his head. It’s how HE processes information. He throws better on the run specifically because he’s not “thinking”. It also is probably why he’s even better still when the Game is on the line and there is no other thought expect…”WIN”.

Tim Tebow will never be able to do anything about the way his brain processes information and neither will anyone else. But what has been tried on him is…don’t process it how you do naturally…Stop things, then convert them, then react. Besides the fact this adds steps to the process, it ignores the fact his brain is STILL going to process things the way it does. Forcing him to fit into traditional training methods also forces him to fight off fighting the results of that very likely ill-conceived training.

I hope Tim hasn’t been screwed up by the training because if he has, we MIGHT see a “better” Tim Tebow Quarterback at the pedestrian level. But does it cost us what we’ve already seen he can do when he’s not thinking and just playing? Hopefully not.

I will tell you what it almost certainly has cost Tim and every Fan of Football.

The opportunity to have seen how far an athlete with unique abilities could have taken that gift if he’d simply been left alone to play the Game the way it comes naturally to him.

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