Tim Tebow Can Break Through into Major Leagues: Mets Hitting Coach Kevin Long


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  1. Sage says:

    Wow. Jeff Fisher fired? I could have sworn he signed a 2-year extension last week.

    He’s earned it. What now, a high-paid DC job for the next 15 years? Quarterbacks coach?

    I don’t like to see guys down, but he was the bane of several QBs I admired.

    Why these guys really want to coach 25 years is also a little hard to figure. John Fox? The glory days are over. John Gruden has the right idea.

    • ck says:

      Well said, Sage!

    • Brandi says:

      Bill Walsh’s comments on how the NFL works (or in fact doesn’t) with its arrogant GMs who know nothing about Football but hold the Owner’s ear, are classic.

      You statement about Gruden…he and lots of Winning and even Hall-of-Fame Coaches have been wooed by the NFL for years. And none of them want to come back. Even as they talk about how much they miss Coaching. They love it. Love Football.

      It’s the NFL they can’t stand.

  2. ck says:

    Tebow leaving the NFL in the “dust”!;D

  3. David says:

    Dec 6
    “During Terry Collins’ appearance on MLB Network, he addressed a variety of topics including, but not limited to Tim Tebow.

    Collins stated he intends to play Tebow in a couple of Spring Training games in 2017. Collins stated he will play Tebow in those games whether he is in the major league or the minor league camp. Overall, Collins would like to get Tebow in there against major league pitching.”


    • Sage says:

      Thanks for the interesting update.

    • Danny says:

      Thanks David! Miss seeing you out here…you’re one of our best number crunchers!

      • David says:

        Lol, Thanks. My interest in Tim forced me to learn football and now I have to learn baseball terminology and stats. It looks a lot harder but I know a home run when I see one. I’m glad you were here to explain some of these things to us, Danny.

        • Sage says:

          Same here. It was a long time before I began to know what I didn’t know about baseball.

          George Will’s “Men at Work” is a good way to see how baseball minds work.

          • Brandi says:

            I began working with Major League Baseball years ago. It & Minor League Baseball were trying to spread Baseball in Africa. Not just anywhere, but the poorest, most war-torn parts of Africa, where they had to pay for Ballfields to be built and buy all the equipment. One Minor League Owner went over every year at least once for over 10 years.

            They battled the poverty there as well as warlord run regions and bureaucracies that made it difficult to even ship in equipment. My contacts were MLB Intnl Senior Execs and Team President/CEO level people on several MLB Teams. And they worked hard at it with absolutely nothing in it for Major League Baseball. They didn’t even look for fanfare or publicity.

            Can anyone honestly say this sounds like something NFL Owners & Executives would do?

            The differences in the Games are huge. But nothing compared to the differences in the way the two view the responsibilities that come with being a “rich” Major Sports League.

          • Sage says:

            In elementary, middle and high school, football people had the reputation of dumb jocks.

            Only in the ’80s did NFL players and coaches get the reputation of geniuses, which is largely undeserved. Just because Bill Walsh was smart, and maybe Bill Belichick too, doesn’t mean that the likes of John Fox or Dave Caldwell are deep thinkers.

            By contrast, baseball seems to be an inherently humbling game. There’s no hiding behind fake genius. Perhaps that is why baseball has the humble ambassadors.

        • ck says:

          Yes, Danny & David do their homework and learning from them also…kudos to both!

  4. Danny says:

    David: it seems that MLB keeps stats for everything! While I was following the AFL this fall I stumbled across a stat I never heard of before called the chase rate where players are measured by the number of balls players swing at outside the strike zone. The best one in the majors last year was at 17 percent, which is real good in my estimation.

    I’m sure that the Mets have measured Tebow against a variety of stats already and like what they see.

    • ck says:

      Glad the MLB is treating Tebow better than the NFL so far! If you are Tebow, then everywhere you go, SUCCESS FOLLOWS! GO TEBOW!;D

  5. Bigfan says:

    He will have a much longer career for sure!! Play Ball!!!

    • David says:

      I like the fact that he will be much healthier when he’s done and making the pros in both football and baseball is a very exclusive club just like the Heisman.

    • Brandi says:

      His NFL Career is already longer than the average. And the average keeps shrinking. These guys kill themselves to Play 2.5 years on average and the CBA now doesn’t even provide the big money opportunities for other than high 1st Round Players until later in their careers than that.

      Baseball’s a much better place to be. For lots of reasons. (Better Fans and Media too)

    • ck says:

      Right about that Bigfan and David.

  6. David says:

    I just returned the text version of Shaken to the library. There is an audio version also that you can place on hold.

    • ck says:

      Thanks, David, and how was the review?

      • David says:

        ck, it was a good read. Tim talked about people and situations in his life. The thing that stood out was his passion for making a difference in the lives of others which is what sets him apart. He talks about what’s important in life and gives the plan of salvation and thanks those family and friends that have had positive influence on his life. Did you know that he is technically color blind? It was news to me.

        • ck says:

          Would like to purchase it soon and, based on your review, will definitely do so. Did not know he was color blind, David. Thanks.

  7. Sage says:

    Trevor Siemien scores 3 points in 2d loss against Patriots, and most broncos fans say he’s not the problem.

    It’s so hard for football fans to find any fault with a QB who has good completion percentage, i.e., is good at playing catch. They defend those guys for years while mocking a play-maker like Tebow.

    Another game losing INT for Blake. Buy Gus. Dave gonna draft another QB with the 3rd pick? Someone with stud footwork?

  8. ck says:


  9. Danny says:

    Montreal Alouettes drop Tim Tebow off CFL negotiation list:


    This is kind of expected as Tim is pursuing baseball now. It’s just as well as the CFL wouldn’t make the kind of offer he needed to go there. It would have to be a monster deal that would have kept Tebow in the CFL for the remainder of his career.

    The CFL could have made Tebow the cornerstone of the league and would have attracted solid athletic football talent and elevated the stature of the league.

    The CFL had a golden opportunity to do the right thing and they blew it.

    Tim is in a MUCH better place now in his athletic career where the Mets believe in him and will give him every opportunity to succeed.

    Less than two months to spring training!

    • ck says:

      Agree w/u and they at least appear to be treating him a lot better all the way around.

    • Brandi says:

      The CFL is a Salary Capped League. For the 2016 Season that number was $5.1 Million (Canadian which is 75 cents to the US Dollar).

      That’s for the entire Team. There are articles about CFL Players having to take second jobs. The highest was $400K (CDN). So it’s possible Tim could have been signed for something better than nothing. But probably never more than a fraction of what the TV Networks were paying him.

      • Danny says:

        As an additional enticement for David Beckham to join the LA Galaxy back in 2007, the MLS gave Beckham an option to purchase a MLS franchise for $25 million dollars. As the expansion fees are above $100 million now it has ended up to be a pretty good deal for Beckham.

        That’s the kind of deal a professional league would do to woo a potential game changer who in this case would provide valuable exposure to the MLS.

        Perhaps the bylaws of the CFL would have prevented such a deal for Tebow, but I have to imagine the CFL would have the flexibility to offer something enticing (team ownership, sponsor money, the Beckham deal as examples) which would have given the positive exposure that the CFL would have received and would have introduced a whole new set of fans to the CFL.

        But it didn’t happen. The CFL made a business decision not to. In my estimation Tim was very smart on not accepting offers from Montreal.

        Tim Tebow made a business decision too. He’s playing baseball. Tim is in a far better place athletically than he was 12 months ago. I’m happy for him and look forward to his journey to the majors.

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  11. David says:

    Greg Byrd on playing with Tebow.
    “A byproduct of playing for Scottsdale was being a teammate of Tim Tebow.
    “It was great. I don’t think he got enough credit for the improvement he made,’’ Bird said. “I was around him and picked his brain and tried to help him. He impressed me a lot.”

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  13. Danny says:

    Video: All signs point that Tebow will start the year with the Fireflies


    My hunch still says Class AA. But we’ll see.

  14. jp says:

    CHGO BEARS …. Known for great QBS

  15. Danny says:

    Wishing all a Merry Christmas!!

    • ck says:

      Baked some sugar cookies and delivered…bizzzzzzzzzzy, but had a nice Christmas visiting family that I haven’t seen in a long time! Hope yours was just as memorable too! Thanks, Danny, and God bless you/yours also!!!

  16. Sage says:

    Yes, Merry Christmas all.

  17. Sage says:

    And happy New Year, rex Ryan. Chip, you’re next. Elway at some point.

  18. jp says:

    THIS SCUM WAS THE BIGGEST REASON TT WAS EXILED OUT OF THE NFL. Another stupid team will take him.

  19. jp says:

    Is there a way to post on this site other than going on these subject chains?

  20. ck says:


  21. Andrea says:

    Glad to see Rex Ryan get canned.

    Well deserved.


  22. Danny says:

    The Mets have their spring training in Port St. Lucie, FL at Digital Domain Park.

    Here are the key dates for spring training reporting:

    Pitchers & Catchers – Feb. 12
    First Workout (Pitchers and Catchers) – Feb. 13
    Position Players Report – Feb. 17
    First full workout for Everyone – Feb. 18

    The Mets play in the Florida Grapefruit League.

    I haven’t heard anything minor league specific for any club, I’m assuming that they train in the same facility as the major league players.

  23. David says:

    Happy New Year to All.
    Football Notes.
    Chargers fire Mike McCoy.
    Will Kelly be fired? Looks like it. Not good enough.
    Kubiak retires for health reasons. Broncos miss the playoffs.
    It’s not even Black Monday yet.
    It’s reported that McDaniels will be shopping for a HC job.
    Sam Bradford still can’t generate a winning record after 7 seasons as the starter. He was 7-8 this year.
    Jacksonville went 3-13 and the best QB in Jacksonville,Fl is playing baseball.
    Jaguars interview Tom Coughlin.
    Tebow’s 32 TDs and 2 two point conversions in 15.5 games and 13 plays would rank 5th this year for total scoring by a QB.
    Tebow’s 19 TDs in 374 attempts would place 9th this year for TDs per pass attempt.
    Tebow would rank 4th this year for rushing scores among the running backs.
    Remember how they compared Tim Tebow to Dak Prescott?
    Tebow scored 34 times
    Prescott scored 29 times
    Dak Prescott played 15 games and had 23 passing TDs in 459 attempts with 4 Ints
    That’s a TD every 19.9 attempts
    Tebow had 19 passing in 374 attempts with 9 Ints
    That’s a TD every 19.6 attempts
    Dak scored 6 times rushing, Tebow scored 15 times rushing.
    Dak completed 67.5% and averaged 11.8 yards per completion
    Tim completed 47.3% and averaged 15.3 yards per completion and scored more often passing and/or rushing.
    Prescott played with one of the top 2 teams in the league and Tebow played with the 2nd worst team in the league.
    Tebow’s numbers still shine. With his first season stats, he would have been a top 5 scoring QB in every season since 2010, except 2015, where he would have placed 8th.

    • Sage says:

      McCoy was such a pretender. It’s obscene how 4 got HC contracts based on their success with Tebow and never said so much as a kind word for him.

      buhbuy chip. You just need more reps.

    • ck says:

      Facts and know u r absolutely right, David! Great work on statistics, btw!

  24. David says:

    Chip Kelly fired after going 2-14.
    “On the heels of one of the worst seasons in franchise history, the 49ers fired Chip Kelly and general manager Trent Baalke on Sunday evening.”

    • ck says:

      Guess that is fitting and finally knows what that felt like when he did same to Tebow who did not deserve such treatment!!!:( Thanks David for updates…GREAT INFO!!!
      Looking forward to Jan. 20th!!! Not taking my signs down until it is OFFICIAL, LOL!
      Then it will be a HNY! Hope you had a very nice Christmas too!

  25. Danny says:

    Chip Kelly’s handling of Tim Tebow and Colin Kaepernick ultimately led to his downfall. Tebow would have moved mountains for Kelly and with the personnel the Eagles had in 2015 they could have made the playoffs with Tebow as QB. They had the perfect setup, just needed Tebow to run the team.

    Kelly wasn’t able to deal with the Kaepernick circus in SF this season. Kaepernick turned out to be a cancer on this team and Kelly handled it poorly.

    When it all comes down to it, Chip Kelly wasn’t “good enough”.

  26. jp says:

    DANNY CK SAGE ARE THE GREATEST.. DANNYS DOCUMENTATION STEAMROLLS ALL TT HATERS.I HAVE A FEELING FOX WILL BE FIRED SOON. The thing is Tt is so hated that loser fans of many franchises will tolerate years of losing and make excuses rather than accepting TT

    • Danny says:

      Haha, thanks, I call it as I see it! David is the real stats guru out here, he really lays out the Tebow argument well. We all pitch in with our perspective which make it a lively discussion out here!

    • ck says:

      Well, it’s good to know we are among the “DIEHARDS”, LOL!:D Was watching the Gators play today and they won at The Outback Bowl against Iowa–30 to 3!
      The story about the QB (Appleby) is that he admired TT and looked up to him…he continues to still have a positive effect on kids + adults–very inspiring!
      Thanks for your comments, JP–your posts are great too! All Tebow fans here!!!;)

  27. Bigfan says:

    Have a great, happy and healthy New Year all. Let’s all keep Timmy in our thoughts and prayers for a long career in MLB!! God will take care of the rest!

  28. jp says:

    Whoops meant to say David

    • David says:

      The first guy that I saw comparing Tebow’s stats was 6’9″with the Afro on twitter. That got me curious and I found that Tim compares very well with some of the best starters in the NFL. He’s one of the few QBs that has scored over 30 times in his first 16 games. Being a top 5 scorer will get you in the playoffs every year.

      • Brandi says:

        Cold Hard Football Facts RealQBR Quarterback Rating System is by far the most accurate in applying the aspects of a QBs Play that correlates to Winning Games. It’s something like 92% accurate in that the QB of any Game who beats the other in RealQBR his teams Wins at a higher percentage than any other statistic in Football, short of one Team having something like 4 turnovers more than the other which of course almost never happens. The next most accurate predictor is a 100 Yard Rusher in a Game.

        So basically the “measurements” most use don’t even really have anything to do with helping a Team Win Games. (They only really matter in Fantasy Leagues.)

        In any even, year after year Tim’s Career RealQBR places him in the top half of all Starting Quarterbacks. And that’s comparing basically Rookie numbers against Veterans most of the time.

        But unfortunately Tim’s Detractors only SAY they care about “Facts”. In reality they only care about their social and political agendas and their belief that Tim’s Fans are all some sort of Religious Nazis who want to take over the world and invoke their Christian Orthodoxy as national Law imposed on everyone. You just can’t try being rational with people whose entire position is based on irrational fear and anger.

        • David says:

          It’s certainly true that some vocal people hated Tim and his fans for whose they are and not for how he played. Many of them are homosexuals or abortion supporters that see Tim as a political threat. Trump faced the same wave of hatred and did what Tim did. He played his game and won.

          • Brandi says:

            I don’t want to go down the “issues” rabbit hole. But I do believe if the Eagles hadn’t cut Tim and he was their Starting Quarterback, Hillary Clinton would be the next President. The NFL and the Media that sucks up to it has become so synonymous with privileged elitists who look down their noses on average Americans, I think Tim’s treatment by the NFL played a large enough role in the election outcome that it was a difference maker.

            How’s that for irony? The people who thought his NFL success would spell political loss for them so much so they started a smear campaign even before he was drafted, actually brought about the outcome they dreaded at least partly because of their efforts to prevent that NFL success.

          • David says:

            That’s a good job of looking at the big picture. There was plenty of backlash over illuminati globalist football being used to discourage Christians and patriotic conservatives. They are still doing it. It ain’t workin for them.
            Over 80% of evangelicals voted for Trump. That would include a great number of Hispanic Catholics and Afro-Amer Protestants. Pennsylvania actually won for Trump at about 11PM on election night but the media wouldn’t call the state for Trump. Then Wisconsin and Michigan put him over the top and PA was the cherry on top. Did it matter that the NFL has taken up the homosexual agenda, black lives matter, disrespecting the flag on TV, opposing gun rights, and blacklisting a successful outspoken pro-life Christian quarterback. I guess it did because Donald Trump is president when no one thought he could win the primaries.

          • ck says:

            Thanks David for the link and they have been exposed at least so now “Soros” w/all of his grandiose plans/agenda to control apparently are going by the wayside…THANK GOD!!!

      • ck says:

        As Paul Harvey would say: “And now we know the rest of the story!” Think Sage likes that guy too, lol! Glad you are in charge of the great stats, David!
        Where’s Mr. Buzzz? Hope he had a Merry Christmas/Happy New Year also!

  29. ck says:

    Alright Buzzy, you have been MIA long enough…u must have needed a break, lol!

  30. ck says:

    Best Tisa could get a response…

  31. Danny says:

    100 comments on this thread. Wow! Spring training in a few weeks, really looking forward to seeing how Tim’s off-season training improved his skills. He came off an impressive run at the end of the AFL season.

  32. Danny says:

    Up to 100 comments now! Spring training in six weeks, it will be exciting to see Tebow’s progress in this off-season since he had such a good ending to the AFL season.

  33. David says:

    Tim Tebow makes the list of top 10 wildcard games in NFL history on Pro Football Weekly.

    • Sage says:

      Judging from headlines, Dak Prescott is filling the role that Tebow was filling, and lifting the league to better ratings.

      Too bad, because nfl doesn’t observe it.

      I do like Dak, though.

    • Danny says:

      The NFL has been pushing the Dallas Cowboys full bore in an attempt to boost ratings. Although I don’t watch anymore I understand they are on TV a lot more than any other team these days.

      Sage: Dak Prescott runs zone read pretty well, not as good as Tebow, who is probably the best the NFL ever saw running zone read, but still pretty good. It definitely shows that the NFL doesn’t need to be pass pass pass all the time.

    • TheMascotArmy says:

      Holy crap does that link name bother me. Those coaches have all been coasting on the idea that they were so successful despite Tebow, but recent history has shown that they suck, and that it was far more likely that Tebow was carrying them and their idiotic scheme.

    • Danny says:

      TMA: I know, right? That should be better described as “Gase reflects on Tebow playoff win”

      John Fox and Adam Gase owe a lot to Tim Tebow.

    • David says:

      Gase had a little success this year because he leaned on his running game when Tannehill was losing games. Gase was 6-10 last year with Cutler.
      Tim Tebow is a Coach Whisperer. McCoy, Fox, Gase, and Allen have proven it.

      • Sage says:

        Forgot about 6-10. Thanks. The media are really dieifying (sp) that guy.

        Hard to believe coaches get credit for coaching Peyton mannings offense.

    • Sage says:

      Ya. Quarterbacks coach brings the cookies and turns on the film projector.

      Gase talks about making it to OT despite a turnover. Okay, I guess. But what I remember is Champ Bailey dropping an INT in the endzone that could have pretty well iced the game in regulation. Tebow carried the team that day.

      They say Tim threw 12 TDs in 2011. Does that mean he threw 7 during 3 starts in 2010?

      It’s a pity to click and give attention to sorry-ass journalists who disrespect Tebow. Sometimes it’s possible to cut an paste the content.

      • TheMascotArmy says:

        Exactly. They always like to pretend he started that year, which intentionally misrepresents his stats, and they often attribute Orton’s losses to him. So bad.

  34. Andrea says:

    I see Tim Tebow is scheduled to appear on “First Take ” next week – probably Monday or Tuesday.

    Another chance for Tebow to make Stephen A. Smith look silly. Which really is’nt hard to do at all.

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    • ck says:

      They are really “stinking” it up, aren’t they? Refuse to watch until they clean up their act or bring back Tebow!

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  38. ck says:

    Saying a prayer for you Buzzy wherever u r…

  39. David says:

    Tim Tebow on First Take.
    “At a certain point, it’s not about what other people want you to do. It’s what you want to do. It’s your dreams, it’s your life, not everybody else’s life. And I get it that [I] could play football at another position, but why would I settle? Life isn’t about settling, life is about striving. Life is about trying to thrive.”

  40. andrea says:

    Just love how Tebow smacks down Stephen A. Smith and company.

    • ck says:

      “Like water off of a duck’s back”! My boss was fond of saying that when the Radiologists wanted to chastise someone, lol! GO TEBOW!

  41. Danny says:

    It was announced today that Tim was not invited to major league camp. This was expected as he was assumed to begin the season in the minors this spring.

    I think the big takeaway is that Sandy Alderson wants to be sure that Tim gets reps and lots of them. This does not preclude a visit to the major league camp to see how he looks against major leaguers. Since Terry Collins has indicated that he would like to see Tebow in major league camp I expect that to happen.

    My call is that he starts in AA. Interesting to hear other thoughts.


    • ck says:

      Thanks Danny for the link and had heard that also. Glad they are treating him better than NFL at least!

    • ck says:

      Maybe he will be in Port ST. Lucie, again, for spring training?!!;D

    • David says:

      Tim was getting hot in the AFL. Hitting .286 in the last 10 games and over .300 in the last 5 games. I hope he gets a chance to really shine in AA so he can get lots of confidence and remove all doubt about his chances.

      • David says:

        Correction: In the AFL, Tebow hit .267 in the last 10 games and .357 in the last 5 games.
        6’5WithTheAfro6’9 ‏@69WithTheAfro 7 Dec 2016
        @DesBieler Tebow Last 11 games: 9 of 32 (2 Doubles).281 avg. 8 walks On Base % of .425. OPS in last 10: .739.He was improving rapidly

    • TheMascotArmy says:

      Thanks. If they take their time with him, they’ll avoid the PR stunt critique.
      If he’s with the fireflies, I’ll probably drive down to watch him.

  42. Sage says:

    Mike mickey mouse back in Denver as oc. Good. Elway can slow bleed with him for years to come.

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