Klis: Tim Tebow’s contract is tough for New York Jets to swallow (Thanks Larry)

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  1. tawk2 says:

    I found this on one of the links Buzzy posted by a commenter thought it really was interesting.

    I did not write this.

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    Re: Article Discussion: Klis: Tim Tebow’s contract is tough for

    Postby btjackpot@gmail.com on Yesterday, 3:07 am #2971772

    Haters fail to understand what really happened last year in the NFL and how ironic it was.

    2011 Tebow most hated athlete in the Nfl
    2012 Ray Lewis most hated player the last 17 years wins the Super Bowl

    2012 Elway replaces his mobile quarterback with a pocket passer
    2012 we see the rise of the mobile quarterbacks Luck,RG3,Wilson,Kapernick,

    2011 Broncos win their first playoff game in 12 years on a shoe string budget
    2012 Broncos don’t win a playoff game having the highest paid defense in the league and with many millions spent on offensive weapons for Peyton Manning.

    2011 Broncos had everyone in the USA watching and talking about the Broncos dominating ever ESPN broadcast.
    2012 Broncos get people from Indianapolis to tune in to their games

    2011 The Broncos where the real story in the NFL
    2012 the Broncos story was manufactured and sponsored by Papa Johns pizza and the NFL network.

    2011 People around the world where Tebowing
    2012 we had Peyton Manning taking a knee with 31 seconds

    2011 we heard our quarterback give praise to his Lord and Savior
    2012 we heard our quarterback asking us to drive a buick and eat his pizza

    2011 we herd Bronco fans and players chanting Tebow
    2012 we herd our quarterback tell the Bronco fans to shut up and quit cheering while he did his hand puppet show

    2011 we seen 7 4th quarter clutch performances
    2012 we saw Peyton Manning with his 11th playoff loss (choke)

    2011 We saw the fastest finish in overtime in NFL history with the most exciting play in Bronco playoff history
    2012 we saw a double overtime loss to a team John Elway screwed over when he came into the league

    2011 Broncos players keep there nose clean
    2012 many run in with the law

    2011 we have Quinn and Orton trying to fine Tebow for not speaking out against the second bill board that was put up
    2012 Broncos coaches and players become the most fined team in football

    2011 Tebow fans point out John Fox plays it safe and is holding back Tebow with his play calling
    2012 FireFox breaks down in Atlanta, Peyton has to call for instant replay, Fox is in shock and has Peyton take a knee

    2011 a 8 and 8 record is good enough to make the playoffs and a win
    2012 13 and 3 record gives us the worst lost in Bronco playoff history

    2011 Tebow takes a injured team and wins a playoff game
    2012 Peyton has a 100 percent healthy team and loses a playoff game

    2011 NFL season goes off without a hitch
    2012 Bounty Gate,Seau kills himself,Belcher kills self and girl friend,Josh Brent kills teammate,blackout during Super Bowl,2000 player unite to sue the NFL

    I hope you haters start to see how ironic 2012 really was I could go on and on, but you should get the point by now. 8)
    Last edited by btjackpot@gmail.com on Yesterday, 5:49 am, edited 2 times in total.
    Eat worms you Haters

    Buzzy Says : Posted 27Min apart

  2. The Mascot Army says:

    This was a fun comment I found in this article…

    Re: Article Discussion: Klis: Tim Tebow’s contract is tough for
    by btjackpot@gmail.com on Yesterday, 3:07 am #2971772

    Haters fail to understand what really happened last year in the NFL and how ironic it was.
    2011 Tebow most hated athlete in the Nfl
    2012 Ray Lewis most hated player the last 17 years wins the Super Bowl

    2012 Elway replaces his mobile quarterback with a pocket passer
    2012 we see the rise of the mobile quarterbacks Luck,RG3,Wilson,Kapernick,

    2011 Broncos win their first playoff game in 12 years on a shoe string budget
    2012 Broncos don’t win a playoff game having the highest paid defense in the league and with many millions spent on offensive weapons for Peyton Manning.

    2011 Broncos had everyone in the USA watching and talking about the Broncos dominating ever ESPN broadcast.
    2012 Broncos get people from Indianapolis to tune in to their games

    2011 The Broncos where the real story in the NFL
    2012 the Broncos story was manufactured and sponsored by Papa Johns pizza and the NFL network.

    2011 People around the world where Tebowing
    2012 we had Peyton Manning taking a knee with 31 seconds

    2011 we heard our quarterback give praise to his Lord and Savior
    2012 we heard our quarterback asking us to drive a buick and eat his pizza

    2011 we herd Bronco fans and players chanting Tebow
    2012 we herd our quarterback tell the Bronco fans to shut up and quit cheering while he did his hand puppet show

    2011 we seen 7 4th quarter clutch performances
    2012 we saw Peyton Manning with his 11th playoff loss (choke)

    2011 We saw the fastest finish in overtime in NFL history with the most exciting play in Bronco playoff history
    2012 we saw a double overtime loss to a team John Elway screwed over when he came into the league

    2011 Broncos players keep there nose clean
    2012 many run in with the law

    2011 we have Quinn and Orton trying to fine Tebow for not speaking out against the second bill board that was put up
    2012 Broncos coaches and players become the most fined team in football

    2011 Tebow fans point out John Fox plays it safe and is holding back Tebow with his play calling
    2012 FireFox breaks down in Atlanta, Peyton has to call for instant replay, Fox is in shock and has Peyton take a knee

    2011 a 8 and 8 record is good enough to make the playoffs and a win
    2012 13 and 3 record gives us the worst lost in Bronco playoff history

    2011 Tebow takes a injured team and wins a playoff game
    2012 Peyton has a 100 percent healthy team and loses a playoff game

    2011 NFL season goes off without a hitch
    2012 Bounty Gate,Seau kills himself,Belcher kills self and girl friend,Josh Brent kills teammate,blackout during Super Bowl,2000 player unite to sue the NFL

    I hope you haters start to see how ironic 2012 really was I could go on and on, but you should get the point by now.

    Buzzy Says : Posted 27Min apart

    • tisa says:

      How does a site implement “ignore”?

      • andrea says:

        Tisa – that’s the funniest thing I’ve read in a long time.Thanks for the best laugh I’ve had in ages.

        • ck says:

          andrea: Yea that tisa…gotta love her and she is able to make her point in spades all the while having you in stitches!!!:D

    • ck says:

      The Mascot Army: It is even better the second time around…nothing but the facts and you are right about Denver spending the most on “DEFENSE” for PM (THAT IS PROBABLY WHY HE HAD TO SELL SOME PJ PIZZA, HA, HA)!!! SEEN RIGHT ON THE NFL LINK NO LESS…guess Mr. Spidey has a problem w/Thou Shalt Not Lie!!! Kinda ruins his credibility from here on out…too funny!:D

  3. Sage says:

    Thanks for re-posting this. All so true.

  4. The Mascot Army says:

    I didn’t know that Denver was number one in money spent on defense. So much for Thrawn’s poo pooing the idea that Denver upgraded their defense for Manning. Boom.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/interactive/2013/jan/30/nfl-salaries-team-position#denver-broncos,denver-broncos

    • Sage says:

      They upgraded everything for Manning, even as they gave away Brandon Lloyd while Tebow was playing.

      No matter what Brandi says, I think Elway and Fox were shocked and dismayed when Tebow succeeded beyond their wildest expectation.

      Then, Fox and so many others on the Broncos had the natural tendency of vanity, which was to suppose that it was their pre-existing genius that flipped the 2011 season. For many, admitting you’re wrong is difficult.

      • The Mascot Army says:

        I completely agree. The shame is that their “genius” was not put to the test as manning protects them from themselves (until they playoffs)

      • The Mascot Army says:

        Or he knew what Foxball was all about. In hindsight, it was a really great decision, wasn’t it?(sarcasm) He could have had DTs yards and highlights instead of the nothing 1st overall pick Bradford gave him. I’d say that maybe with his help they could have possibly gone further into the playoffs, but that isnt true. Nobody could have overcome what the Pats did to the Broncos D that day. It was embarrassing.

      • ck says:

        Sage: Thanks for stating the truth and what I have known to be true b/c you could see Elrot not too happy that he was not getting what he wanted and T2 even overcame that!!!! Then he saw the fan base overwhelmingly support Tebow and to save face he had to at least look “AS IF” he was half smiling when the cameras panned over to Mr. Horse Face!!! Some salesman and now he is bankrupting the Broncos due to all the “MILE HIGH HORSE MANURE” shoveled…”PRIDE GOETH BEFORE DESTRUCTION” AS HE WILL DEFINTELY FIND OUT IMO!!!

    • Thrawn says:

      Okay… so who were the big additions on the Broncos that made things so great for Manning, and their absense hurt Tebow’s chances so much?

      Who are all these impact players they added that weren’t on the roster before? okay, an old Stokley was added. Who else?

      • The Mascot Army says:

        Their salary speaks for itself. They obviously had to deal with fewer nobodies than every other NFL team.

        • Thrawn says:

          So you really can’t name any impact players that Manning to to have that poor Tebow didn’t get to work with…

          Same Wide receivers with the addition of an aged Stokley (who wasn’t resigned, BTW.) and a half way decent receiving tight end.

          Same RBs. Pretty much the same OL. Same coaching staff. So how does the salaries explain how the offense went from the worst passing offense to the top 4? It doesn’t. Weren’t you the one a few weeks ago telling me that it was mostly about the QB when the Broncos turned around in 2011? MANNING is the major upgrade. There really is no shame in admitting that. It isn’t a knock on Tebow at all. he just wasn’t the kind of QB the Broncos wanted and they had no desire to invest the time and money needed to build around his skillset. I don’t get why people take that as an insult. Most Tebow fans acknowledge teams need a different approach with Tebow for him to be successful.

          Buzzy Says : As i said a year ago PM with out the running game is just a Game Manger if he has to throw more than 35 times there will be a problem

          • The Mascot Army says:

            Newsflash…
            Team salaries do not exclusively target impact guys, and the weakest link/biggest mismatch is the one exploited by other teams. The Broncos behemoth salary means they had an advantage other teams didnt have in terms of avoiding bad mismatches.
            Which would lead to more sacks…5 starting caliber NFL linemen that will never make the pro bowl, or 4 superstars and oprah winfrey? Your laserlike focus on “impact players” would completely miss the boat on that. This isnt basketball, and starting 1 scrub outweighs starting one “impact player.” Just the upgrade at corner had a huge effect, and there were other upgrades as well. Largest salary on defense.

  5. Sage says:

    Tamme, Stokley, Dreesen, Welker, plus others in 2011 whom Manning wanted but who didn’t stick.

    Imagine Manning in the 2d round of the playoffs playing the Patriots with D. Thomas and Matthew Willis as his 1 and 2 WRs, and Fells and Quinn as TEs.

    • andrea says:

      I think I missed something Spider.Where are DT’s,Decker’s and Manning’s Super Bowl rings?What a waste of 90 million dollars.I wonder how much the price of season tickets went up after they signed the choke artist Peyton Manning.Hopefully,next year if the Broncos make the playoffs – they will bench choke artist Peyton Manning and start the backup QB.

    • Thrawn says:

      A couple of TEs are different, but I don’t see how that made the Broncos go from last place in passing to #4 in a year. Stokley was helpful, but not to the point where Tebow was kneecapped from doing anything on offense without him.

      Face it. The big upgrade on offense was Tebow for Manning. No shame in that. But trying to say Tebow had a bunch of scrubs to work with and Manning got all kinds of new players is rubbish. A very weak argument. There are far better arguments than that to make as to why there was such a huge difference in offensive production. That is, if you choose to ignore Manning himself being the big upgrade.

      • The Mascot Army says:

        Manning calling the plays instead of what Fox imposed was the hugest upgrade by far. But they could have had a competently run offense for a lot less than 90 million bucks.

        • ck says:

          The Mascot Army: Glad we have the “Army” standing up for the truth!!!
          You are 100% correct on this one too!!!

      • The Mascot Army says:

        And why don’t you account for player growth? WRs in particular grow by leaps and bounds the first few years they play. You’re claiming the DT Manning played with was the same DT Tebow played with the year before? Silly.

        • jason says:

          That’s true that they do but tebow wasn’t very good at reading the coverage and throwing WRs open. He didn’t have route anticipation at all. Even bad WRs can do very well if a QB has those things down.
          Hopefully that’s what he’s worked on all offseason cause its really the only major flaw he really has in his skill set but one that kills chances of being a long term starter. He missed so many reads in pass coverage with denver maybe he’s got that fixed now. Be cool if he does.

          • The Mascot Army says:

            It wasnt so much a matter of reading coverages as much as play design. I don’t feel like finding the article, but somebody did an amazingly thorough breakdown of the pass plays Tebow had to work with and how the plays were not designed to promote favorable coverages; I don’t recall exactly, I think it had to do with misuse of te’s. The whole “can’t read a defense” cliche is thrown about with reckless abandon all the time, coincidentally not with any specifics. it’s like they just add that critique in because the other stuff becomes increasingly flimsy as he gets more chances to play. the long release leading to strip sacks claims had to be abandoned entirely.
            In addition to all that, Tebow is probably no further behind other young qbs in the mental aspect of the game. I do know coaches were impressed with his knowledge before the draft and I know that he basically taught Fox and McCoy the option.

          • jason says:

            The specifics are hard to do in any article on it. The film does well to show wide outs that will open up in 2 steps in between coverage and with many of the pass he threw that were bad it was because he threw when the wide out opened up not to where the wide out would be the second he became open. There are websites you can watch coach film at. I don’t go with what media guys with an axe to grind for or against players tend to say. I’ve said from way back before that term was popular with hit pieces that was his mahor flaw from watching games and film. Lots of the other young QBs did better at that than tim but tim does have other things working for him that they haven’t done as well yet. I hope he worked at that aspect of his game.
            The play calling was bad but tim did his part of not seeing the openings in routes. Hopefully he’ll do better on his part when he gets another chance to start. I don’t breakdown how a QB does based on anything but how he excutes, what they miss and so on. The same way folks in the NFL evaluate talent since its up to them if a player gets picked up or not. Tebow misses the opening in routes often. Very vvery fixable and hope he does but he still missed many of them. Let’s just hope he gets that fixed.

          • The Mascot Army says:

            I found the article, and it’s worth reading. I’ll probably post it again somewhere else because the points made are not well known (but should be).

            http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/broncos/entry/fixing-the-broncos-passing-game

        • Thrawn says:

          Player growth, sure. But I don’t see it as the reason Decker and Thomas are better receivers this year. I think that had more to do with Manning knowing where to put the ball, didn’t hesitate giving defenders time to close in, and didn’t keep throwing the ball behind them, giving them room for yards after the catch. Manning simply made them better receivers.

          You make a much better argument a couple of posts down about some of the playcalling not being designed to make Tebow a better passer. Certainly a lot better argument than saying the talent surrounding Manning had more to do with the offensive improvment than switching Manning with Tebow. Decker and Thomas didn’t grow THAT MUCH. In fact, I commented last year that Decker and Thomas were probably underrated because they were underutilized. They were asked to do more downfield blocking than they did receiving, and that ties in more with your take on the playcalling. But then that brings us to the chicken and egg argument if the playcalling was a reflection on Tebow’s ability or was Tebow’s lack of number a reflection of the playcalling. …and of course, we aren’t going to agree on that one.

          • jason says:

            Bad playing calling impacts how the game will be decided but execution of the play from each position has nothing to do with if the players weren’t the best play that could’ve been called.
            You can excute a 10 yard draw play perfect but if you needed to get out of bounds to stop the clock its a bad play call. For tim’s future how he excuted the plays he was given to show he was capable with his skill set is what his future chance comes from. Not bad play calls that weren’t used correctly.
            Its why you can have great QB play but the defense gives up 50 points. That’s not blamed on the QB for the loss except by fans which won’t be doing the evalution and hiring of that QB.
            My point is that he clearly missed many reads on the coverage. The specifics really are that when you wait till the wide out is open he is normally picked up by time you get the ball there unless he has everyone beat. Tebow does fine with deep balls like that but that’s not close to enough. Gotta hit those other routes when they open then close. That’s about reading and anticipation of the route. Its something stats don’t cove so its not something that’s popular to discuss but is huge on the future of a QB. The best QBs in the NFL do this and have from almost day 1. Wish I could sit and watch tape with you folks and show you what I’m talking about. They get into this some on shows but it doesn’t do well for ratings I suspect so they stick with what fans care about with stats and such.
            I think he can fix it but it will take time since he struggles with it so much. Other than that the kid is good to go. The question is if GMs and coaches think its worth the time to fix. As big as it is its why I hope that was his focus above all this offseason and why I hope he gets behind a guy like brady so he can really get it down.

          • The Mascot Army says:

            Every “legitimate” QBs miss open guys, they just aren’t under the microscope. When I watch full games of other QBs, I cant help but imagine the commentary that would have come had Tebow played identically (and I’ve gotten pretty good at predicting upcoming comments after every Tebow play). It’s ridiculous, but we live in a highlight culture where plays shown are cherry picked to fit the narrative.

          • jason says:

            I don’t look at this or that play or cherry pick. Its total body of work that’s evalutted in tthe NFL. That’s what everyone that can give him his starting job looks at. How he excuted every play not just the endd of a game. Its simple, reading coverage is reading coverage no matter how stupid the play call is. Tim didn’t do well at all with that. He missed greatly. Plenty of greats miss but no where near as much. Its not close and that above all could cost him his career in the NFL. Its not completely on him because his college coach doesn’t develope QBs for tthe NFL as the NFL wants them.
            Sit and learn from one of the best like rodgers, brady, brees would be so great for him but will tebow do thatt is the next question that has to be asked. If he does he’ll be something the NFL greatly wants but right now and I’ve said this for a long time now he is not as a starting QB. The reality of thague matters greatly and far too many people both fan and media completely miss it.

          • jason says:

            We do live in a highlight culture sad as it is but its the same culture that just says “he’s a winner” when they can’t go into breakdown evaluation about the league he wants to play in not just grab this stat or that stat but to look at what GMs and coaches truly look at because not 1 watches film and says he’s a winner so let’s get him. They don’t do that no more than anyone that owns a business says let’s hire this guy cause he won something. Its the performance everyday of the job that’s looked at. I once heard someone say brady isn’t that good of a QB because he knows what defense is being run every play and they didn’t understand that’s part of being a great QB.
            Now rememeber I’m just looking at what it takes not how I feel. I hope tebow can mmake it because he’s good for the NFL but I’ll never say a player is great or bad because of my like or dislike. I like players that have proven their ability they have long term fair chance or not and dislike those that aren’t. I could hammer plentty of QBs in the league but I’m not gonna write 50k words on here or more.
            Think what you want but the folks of the NFL look at skill set just the way I do because that’s where I’ve taken time to learn it from because at the end of the day it only matters how those that could hire you view your skills not anything else.

            Army its no knock by me because i’d rather teach someone about the NFL than put down a view or argue with them. But it is what it is. I want the kid to get another chance with an offense built for him but the reality of what’s seen by GMs and coaches is what’s seen in how they view things. Its why I’ve always doudted tebow as a long term starter. What the media comes up with now on some points I said years ago just like many people in the know of the NFL said. Not the ratings hogs but people that truly study how the NFL works.

          • jason says:

            Believe it or not his best bet was to sit and learn because the broncos did him zero favors. Not the trade but throwing him in when he didn’t have the pro game down as those that can give him another job saw fit. Believe in yourself is great but if the people that can give you a chance don’t then how you feel doesn’t matter in the least.
            At the end of the day when you wanna work for someone you have to be what they want. On a key issue tebow may not be. I hope he is but what they think matters about his NFL career not anyone else, even him.

          • The Mascot Army says:

            I’ve watched every snap he’s played since he was a freshman at college, which is more than the pundits or NFL meathead retread copycats have watched, and more than the know-it-all haters have watched. He is easily in the same ballpark as the rest of young acclaimed QBs given a chance to start, and he has already had success in the NFL. He’ll get better, like every other young QB that is motivated. Sitting on the scout team as a way to become better is overrated.

            He was completely handcuffed in Denver, and still did ok…as a first time starter who never had an offseason with the 1’s, and whose number 1 WR got traded away the minute he was promotoed. Low completion% in an offense without dumpoffs and intentionally vague cant read a defense generalities and are not convincing to anybody who has watched him play more than a handful of games that he cant cut it in the NFL. He can, right now, moreso than at least a handful of NFL starters, including the two he has backed up so far in his career.

          • ck says:

            The Mascot Army: You are 100% correct b/c I have watched him play and there is NO WAY YOU ARE TELLING ME ANY KIND OF LIE ABOUT T2!!! HE WILL ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO WIN AND THAT MAKES ANY TEAM APPREHENSIVE…HIS PLAYS WERE MORE THAN AMAZING WHEN HE WAS ALLOWED TO PLAY IN THE NFL AS A QB!!! THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF FANS IF THEY THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY W/THIS C-R-A-P AND THAT IS PUTTING IT MILDLY!!!!!!$$$$$$$$
            GO TEBOW!!!!

    • ck says:

      Sage: Obviously, the facts are not enough…agree w/all you have said b/c Elrot revamped everything for Manning and did the opposite for T2 plus Fox calling plays that were designed NOT TO WIN GAMES!!!!
      Spidey can keep drinking his own brand of Kool-Aid as everyone knows “The Broncos were nowhere until T2 lead that team and he was THE “BEST CHANCE TO WIN” NFL QB AND PROVED IT BY WINNING…REST MY CASE!!!

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